C5 Presents – Surviving the Horde – by Survival Acres

With your host, Category5 and special guest writer Survival Acres.


In the last episode of the Fallacy of Bugging Out, BOB the reality, by Survival Acres I scared the shit out of a number of people. I did this very intentionally and I let you all sit with this for a week. Remember, I said that there was a very intentional progression to these blog series. It was going somewhere. One post leads to the next.


Survival Acres and myself will finish this 5-part miniseries up by showing how to Navigate or even Negate the deep ugliness of the previous post… and it’s not what most “survivalists” would envision. We don’t do “Solutions” on this site because I don’t believe there are solutions. At least, not solutions that the Gen Pop would ever accept willingly. What we focus on here is “Adaptation” strategies.

“I sincerely believe that if you think there is a solution you are part of the problem” George Carlin

As Chris Martinson once wrote and Mrs.C5 likes to quote, “”I guess I could be an optimist … by telling them that I have 99% confidence that humans will someday be powering 100% of their energy needs from the sun. I’ll just leave out that what I mean is in 100 or 200 years, humans will have painfully reverted back to a 1600’s-style subsistence farming lifestyle.” www.peakprosperity.com

I am not even that optimistic.

Survival Acres position is that “Civilization” won’t magically disappear, as is often NEEDED in many people’s SURVIVALIST FANTASIES. Civilization is what we do. It’s what we have always done, in one way or another. More importantly, if we want our survival advice to produce Actual Survival, we must actively keep civilization alive. This chaffs my ass… but I reluctantly agree… After being through multiple phases of prepping, survivalism, back to the landing, nomadism and backwoods batmanning.

This only leaves us with three options. Three options other than joining “The Survivalist Horde”. A shortsighted strategy that ends badly for everyone involved.


I’ll talk about those three options at the end and add three free pdf file book links.


(We were reminded of all this, once again, last week when we got a double whammy. Mrs.C5 needed emergency dental and was swollen up like the Stay Puffed Marshmallow Man. One more infection that could have potentially taken away my necessary survival partner without dental care. This is why I did the post on anti-biotic storage times. Since dental supplies are easier to get down here our list of items to take home includes tooth pulling tools so we don’t have to try doing it with a set of vice grips and a screw drive. We are now dealing with bronchial problems associated with the damp weather and harsh pollution.)

Now without further adieu I present Part 5 and the final episode in the Fallacy of Bugging Out Series.


Surviving The Hord

By Survival Acres


They were munching, marching, stumbling, crowding through everything — eating their way down to the last grain and morsels to be found. I couldn’t believe my eyes!

Death was arriving at my door, what was I to do? I’m afraid, very afraid, they’re going to find me, crunch my bones, eat my flesh, steal my food. I am dead… dead…

Would I wish that this day had never come!

I mean no disrespect for using the term “horde” when I describe the people who will wind up in them (perhaps even you), but it does accurately describe what everyone has seen in virtually every apocalyptic movie. A virtual horde of thousands of people on the silver screen, munching its way through everything it can find to eat.

Even the good-guys are always scrounging for food (the common theme in every flick). Yet this is also the survival reality, back in the real world where strife, riots, civil war, societal breakdown, economic collapse, hurricanes and disaster can and do strike. It is (almost) first and foremost always about finding enough to eat. Personal safety is also extremely high on the list.

Wherever things break down, these are the two primary issues that must be dealt with, sometimes immediately. I’ve known some customers who have told me that they don’t cook. They don’t even store any food in their homes. And of course, they live in the city. Wow. What a combination for disaster. That means if even the power goes out for a day or two, they’re out of food immediately and will be already among the horde.  They won’t even know how to prepare homo sapien sushi. Definitely not advisable.

Hordes don’t care about anything except getting what they want. Breaking things, stealing things, killing, raping, looting, it’s all the same.  The recent flash-mob craze, now happening all over the country is a horde, breaking, stealing and beating up people. It’s very easy to see how this is going to worsen as people realize that they can easily get away with this. There isn’t enough protection out there to stop it.

An observation that should be made: Anywhere a large group may be be gathered together, the rules of normal behavior can break down virtually instantly. We have all seen this at football games (especially soccer), where mob-behavior takes over. This is survivable without injury most of the time  — stay out of the mob. Go home and go back to your life. But mob-behavior can be much larger then this, or much deadlier then this. The horde is where a take-over occurs, establishing new rules of behavior (all of them bad).

Hordes do not necessarily have to be large, they can actually be pretty small.

The definition:

  1. a large group, multitude, number, etc.; a mass or crowd: a horde of tourists.
    2. a tribe or troop of Asian nomads.
    3. any nomadic group.
    4. a moving pack or swarm of animals: A horde of mosquitoes invaded the camp.
    5. to gather in a horde: The prisoners horded together in the compound.

A ruthless gang of biker zombies is a horde. A gathering of punks is a horde. A riot is a horde.

Hordes are characterized by a sort of mindless mayhem, but I’d be terribly remiss to not tell you that you must also survive the non-horde, or specific, targeted threat posed by individuals and small groups. These are just as dangerous, but require different types of preparation.

Hordes can smash and grab, simply overwhelming any defenses by their sheer numbers. They can even break down concrete barriers, fences and barricades when determined. Once they get in, they can instantly clean you out, or kill everybody. But here is where the horde differs — they move on. They’re acting with a different agenda then the individual or small group.

Small groups, including as small as a single individual, can wait nearly indefinitely, probing and looking for a weakness. If they succeed, they can choose to stay. We’ve seen this on the silver screen too — where the terror never stops for those that let their defenses down.

This is what everyone fears — an attack or takeover by either a horde or by a gang, even an individual. Every father or mother knows and understands deep down inside that you cannot let this happen. It is what drives us to consider our other options, hoping that we will not have to face this type of a threat. But here is the reality: these threats have always existed. There is not enough law enforcement in this entire country to prevent or eliminate these threats. Even in peacetime, the threat still remains (but is admittedly lower). However, it can and does happen instantly, all over the country.

Here, crime is rural, but growing. There are daylight robberies now. No flash mobs yet, no hungry hordes yet, no zombie biker gangs yet. But there are rapes, murder, shootings. Anywhere people can be found, you will also find their crimes and criminal acts. And as the economy continues to drop like a rock, it will keep getting worse no matter where you are.

But here is the conundrum — getting far, far away from people creates an entirely different set of problems. Bugging out to the wilderness without resupply is the pathway to cannibalism. You and your fellow ‘survivalist’ will get to compete on who eats last.

Many will still choose to do this, not fully understanding the full implications (see Part I, Part II, Part III and Part IV in this series). The fear of dealing with the horde of people that may have shown up at their door is one of their reasons.

Staying put, ie., “bugging in” does not make you immune to hordes or gangs or lone predatory individuals. Horde immunity does not exist, unless you are the lone survivor in an Antarctic ice base — watching your food supply dwindle by the day, eying the frozen copses around you. This isn’t survivable either, with the point ultimately being very simple: the predators, large and small, will have to be dealt with by somebody (perhaps not you).

This is the only pathway ahead. The horde, the gang, the cannibal, the lone survivor preying on others will have to be stopped. This is actually how society works now, tolerating relatively small levels of predatory acts. It does break down, and probably will again (and again), the only long-term viable solution is to once again, remove the threat to tolerable levels.

You could try to get far enough away from the threat as often advocated, and this would work if you can resupply and you stay safe. But as I’ve noted earlier in this series, the problem(s) that caused you to run / flee or hide will HAVE to be dealt with.  Perhaps not by you, but by someone.

A Mad Max World

I want to dispel the notion of a Mad Max world. The extreme unlikelihood of this happening in your lifetime is so incredibly low to not even worry about it (you are wasting your time). It is also worth pointing out that if this ever did happen, no planning, no preparation, no “figuring out what you’re going to do” will matter anyway.  Only the most vile, ruthless and despicable would survive. There would be no “good guys” as oft depicted, not even one. All notions of morality, decency and character would be replaced with self-serving survival by extremely brutal and violent means. The good guy(s) or gals would most certainly NOT “win”.

Human history shows that for “goodness to win”, it must come from at least one or more of the following:

The majority;
An external influence;
From within civilization (a critical point);
Acceptance (or submission);
A more powerful source (this usually means “temporary violence” or threat).

The Mad Max world, i.e., “total collapse of civilization” and “every man for his/herself” doesn’t even accept the idea that there is a civilization anymore, and if that were actually true, the “winners” would be only the most brutal. And the cockroaches of course.

I no longer accept the view that a total collapse will happen (barring truly catastrophic ELE type events, something nobody can accurately predict). My own learning curve has uncovered many reasons why I believe we will indeed rebuild and reestablish civilization. Quite simply, “it is what we do”. It is what humans do. If we survive. If enough of us still exist and go on living, we’re going to do what we’ve always done.

The obviousness of this last statement should not be overlooked, because it is not only often assumed to be wrong, it is often completely overlooked. Humans will do what they have always done. We are really not going to change that much. Our desire is to live together, not apart. To build, create, raise families and so forth. This implies by actual example, civilization.

Surviving the horde / gang / predator then becomes a requirement. There is only one defining characteristic on how this might be done. You must keep civilization alive.

If you let it “all die”, then you will have Mad Max with the outcome above. If you keep it alive, then you will have the chance to keep everything else alive too. You. Your family. Morality. Respect. Decency. Productive capacity. Everything that we need as humans to actually live, especially with each other.  Let it all break down and we will all die. The only path ahead with any hope of any survival is to harvest the predators from among us, sending them on to their just rewards.

You — everyone of you alive today — are “civilization”. By banding yourselves together, in marriage, in families, in cities and towns and villages, in rural communities and in tribes, all across the entire world, are “civilization”. All working together for the common good (daily survival). Tear this all apart (or allow it) and you will have Mad Max, or some lesser version of it.  Your goal then is to keep this together as long as is humanly possible. It is in fact, the only way you will survive, and the only way humanity itself will survive.

Our fear of collapse has us envisioning all kinds of scenarios and even embracing all kinds of ridiculous but non-survivable ideas. We need to overcome these fears first of all. And we need to dispel the myth of “every man for himself”, or this too will be OUR reaction to collapse. That will only lead to utter disaster.

Even so, many will still act on that belief. They will either operate alone or decide to join and / or lead others, and there you have it. Your gang / warlord / horde / biker zombie cannibals are born. To address these, you are vermin, and will be exterminated by the rest of us. We simply will not allow your kind to exist beyond a tolerable level (just like we do right now). We won’t bother to imprison you either. I fully intend to bury you were you fall, or simply let the buzzards eat you. If you become “large” (numerous) enough, you will overwhelm many of us, but as long as civilization exists within our families and friends, communities and nation, we will try to prevent this from happening. We will become just as brutal as required of us, i.e., “temporary violence”. Even a “no questions asked” policy will be enforced, based upon how severe things have become. And then, we will try pretty hard to go back to what we were.

The only way good can survive, is to get rid of the evil. Evil will flourish as long as the good does nothing (Burke). Some will attempt to pray the evil away, but in the end, it will always be a human that has final stood up and put a stop to it. I’ll let you decide what is more effective.

Our “success” then, the “win” that we all envision, on the “how” we might survive a collapse, is not going to be based upon “lone survival” or bug out to the wilderness or anything like that. If we have a societal collapse, we will only get through it, survive it, by pulling together. This is the only “win” there is.

If we succeed, what we rebuild isn’t worth speculating on right now, as it is just that — pure speculation.  However, if we fail, then it will be because we acted selfishly, independently and with short-sightedness. Or perhaps we simply couldn’t, despite our best collective efforts (which means the outcome is already a given). A truly large event, could make it virtually impossible for us to survive. But nobody “knows” if this will happen — or if we can actually survive such an event or not. We’d still try.  Of course we would. And since we’d try, our best chance, our only chance is to find ways to do this together.

Banding Together

If I were single, I’d try to find at least a few others that would help me, and I help them, pulling together. If I lived in the city, suburbs or country, I’d do the same. Everyone will need to do this (almost) without exception. Lone survivors will need to be totally self-reliant (hard to do), totally self-protecting (very hard if not impossible to do), totally self-capable of resupplying (very hard to do), a virtual “master of all survival skills and requirements”. Alone, you are at extreme risk of something going wrong, and prey to other loners and larger groups.

Again, we should look at human history. We’ve only survived this long, through famine, drought, war, strife, disaster, conflicts and crimes because we have help. We’ve survived as a species through some really catastrophic events. There have always been others to assist us, watch our backs, bind our wounds, grow our food, provide security, cook our meals and so forth. Humans are still here quite simply because other humans are still here. They (ultimately) found ways to work together. This will not change in collapse. You will need to find ways to come together, work together. It won’t be easy — and it won’t be without conflict.

What is the alternative? We’ll be at each others throats, with only the strongest, most brutal, most violent to survive. That is NOT acceptable to me, and probably not to you.

Preventing the horde from becoming is key to our current civilization. Leaders in the past have often failed to do this, declaring idiotic statements such as “let them eat cake”, bringing on the wrath of the people. An important lesson can be learned here however. Prevent the horde from coming into existence.

This may not always be possible (hordes are mobile), but you can make a contribution towards this goal in your area. First, band together if you can (a simple request but not easy). Figure out how you can feed everyone. This (and security) is the highest priority of people everywhere (and of course, all of civilization, past and present).

Everyone requires this, and everyone will be attracted to this. Advising you to become a “magnet” is however, not what I’m suggesting. To keep your own family, group, neighborhood, community or village alive (note: cities are deliberately excluded for reasons shared below) you will need to figure out how to feed them anyway and to provide for their security. This is a group project of the utmost priority.

Cities are simply far too large in population to feed themselves. This doesn’t happen now, and won’t happen in collapse. Cities rely upon hundreds of millions of tons of essential imports (food, water, supplies) to keep their populations alive. Do not plan to survive long in the city during a significant collapse. While you may be banded together, “urban survival” is unrealistic as hell. You can’t even find water if the power goes out, let alone plan to grow enough food. You are surrounded by too many mindless, ill-informed zombies. You may be okay during the small hiccups and declines we are now experiencing, but if it’s “big” — get out. My advice is you should have long since moved.

Much has been written on where to go, who to go with, how to find others and on and on, including how to have secret gardens, hidden defenses, what calibers are best, “zombie guns” and virtually every conceivable topic you can imagine. Put all that aside, because while it may seem like good advice, it still lacks a lot. “Telling” you what to do isn’t particularly accurate in every situation anyway. You will need to understand the generalities and common requirements, but the specifics are really up to you and your group. No point in fixating on the “ideal” specifics because it may not even be applicable.  Instead, learn everything you can and apply what will work for you and yours.

Feeding and farming for your group / community will need to be done within your security perimeter. If not, expect no harvest. Every community should be making these localized plans and preparations now. This is also the goal for “buy local” movement, so you can feel good about it too. Plan to grow enough to meet your total needs and then some (because others will be joining you — count on it). You will also experience a fairly high crop loss through natural predation (bugs, critters, weather, waste), so you will need to accommodate for this too.

I also advocate food storage since it is virtually impossible plan on crops maturing to harvest. Too many things go wrong, especially to newbie farmers. Even experienced, seasoned farmers see total crop losses (pretty often these days too). Food storage is intended to meet any shortfall, and in any collapse situation, it among the very first things people will panic about. We are all virtually mere days away from starvation without a constant resupply. If resupply is absent, delayed or non-existent for even short periods of time, food storage is your only other realistic option.

Hunting, foraging, fishing will be possible, but iffy, with the increased competition and risk of other humans. Again, history shows the local game being virtually wiped out from hungry humans whenever the food supply stops arriving. Nobody really knows how long hunting would feed anyone or how even how many (not many), but expect mere weeks at best. There are simply far, far too many humans to feed now without farming keeping 99.999% of them alive. Farming / gardening and food storage are the only realistic options — and that essential need for resupply is going to come from a group effort. This needs to be setup immediately.

Secure your perimeter by whatever means you have to. Any food will be a magnet. Same for water, medical supplies, essential gear, even your woman. I’ve recently read some truly horrifying, but true stories of widespread death by rape. Humans are capable of the most vile, despicable acts imaginable (far worse then rape), finding “justification” of their actions through ideology, religion or manufactured necessity. You will need to come together (because you CANNOT do this alone) and secure your perimeter.

Nobody alone can secure their perimeter indefinitely. It’s just not possible unless you were incredibly isolated, inaccessible through barriers, and totally self-reliant. As previously noted in this series — you will have to come out sooner or later. The resources you would need to pull this off, by yourself for any meaningful length of time are quite significant. And some of us can shoot a mile or more, killing you in your fortified compound, when you come up for bit of air, letting your body rot where it falls. Then they’ll figure out a way to scale your fortifications and occupy your throne.

Breaking It Down

Alone, you don’t stand a chance.

Only a group can secure their perimeter indefinitely, and even replace lost sentries, or go after the snipers or raiders or repel attacks.

Or meet all their other needs in order to stay alive ‘indefinitely’.

Groups can also be pretty effective in stomping out evil. Individuals actually fair poorly in this particular fight.

You must form groups. Or join one. Or stay in the one you’ve already got.

Only groups can preserve civilization.

Only groups can repel the horde.

Only groups stand an honest and realistic chance of pulling through whatever happens.

Everybody else is destined to die. In unpleasant ways.

We need to preserve a civilization, not simply abandon it. Otherwise we are all alone, facing a truly terrifying future.

I cannot live without some kind of civilization to help me — and neither can you. None of us can. Therefore, we must find ways to preserve the essentials if it does falter further. The only path ahead to do that is to work it out — together. Those that do will be the survivors. Those that won’t or refuse, will die, because in reality, they cannot survive without us, without civilization. They will either die out (die off) or be wiped out. These are the “horde”, which has no future, no hope, nothing going for them at all.

Your only alternative is to position yourselves firmly against them, together — divorcing yourselves from becoming part of the horde. You cannot do this alone. Nobody can. You need us and we need you. Working together to meet our daily survival needs, ensuring we are watching each others back, taking care of all of our concerns and requirements. We are civilization when we are together, and we will need to do our level damnedest to ensure that some of it survives.


Thank you Survival Acres

I lost 2 subscribers immediately after posting part 4. No big thing. I expect that after a controversial post. It’s why I do this site. To pop bubbles. To say the unpleasant truths. To expose the rot. I only find myself more curious about the very moment they freaked.

Was it when I revealed that the underprepared prepper was the biggest danger to be faced in a collapse? Was it pointing out some of the survivalist movement’s dark roots? Or was it the suggestion to “actively murder” white surpremacists.


I chose the words “actively murder” very intentionally. It’s very easy in the gun culture to dehumanize or do mental gymnastics to justify murder. To suddenly motivate yourself to do it.

It was one of the critiques of the Zombie Apocalypse fans. It was an excuse for unabashed violence without consequence and taking free stuff.

But there is always consequence. Consequence doesn’t go away after a collapse. Consequence gets even BIGGER.

A few years ago I had another Canadian ex-Special Forces guy go way out of his way to meet me. I seemed to be a magnate for special forces guys lately. At the time, I was trying to start my own prepper group and I was willing to chat with or meet any prepper that wanted to talk. My premise was that a large enough group, mainly focused around FOOD PRODUCTION was the best way to mitigate the violence associated with collapse. Everyone Farms and Everyone Fights was my motto. By this, civilization could be kept alive. Food and Safety would attract others that could provide more Food and Safety in a self-reinforcing cycle. Civilization. The Solo Survivor had a time limit no matter how Bad Ass he trained to be.

When special forces dude revealed his background, I saw this as an opportunity to pick his brains. I bounced my latest C5 Rule past him.

C5 Rule of Survival – 10 untrained guys with rusty bolt action 22s beats a lone special forces warrior 9 times out of 10.

His response was basically, “Well, duh”. Oh good. He doesn’t think he is invincible and better than others. I decided it to take it further and test him a bit with a thought experiment. My premise was, Substantial Food Production was EVERYTHING. Without that, every other part of “prepping” was simply masturbation. Like giving yourself a good, lubed up, wank to a dirty FANTASY. Including adult toys and sexy dress up uniforms that you don’t really want your boss, friends or family to see.

So I presented X-SF Dude with an image. It is a collapse. You catch one of the locals in your, very necessarily for your own survival, garden. If you shoot him what happens next?

He stopped for a 4 second beat, then his eyes became clear and steady. “The Hatfields and the McCoys”.

I was shocked for a moment because he said my exact words. It’s highly unlikely nobody knows what that garden raider was doing or thinking of doing. This can lead to a multigenerational blood feud of back and forth retaliation. You and your children, even after you are long dead, will watch family and friends die, weakening your chances at survival while making you a miserable human being. Did I mention PTSD blows. For many it is lethal.

The answer lies in keeping that situation from happening in the first place. Organizing a large enough group to give warning and pause to any one thinking the idea.

Well, I instantly liked X-SF Dude. There are 2 types of military men. Those who drank the koolaid and those with the mental strength to resist the brainwashing. (By the way, X-SF Dude, if you are reading this, go check your mail. You know where.)


So there are three paths to take to get there.


The one I am doing is the hardest and least likely to succeed. But that is my primary survival skill set. “I do the impossible with nothing”. The intentional community model on our rather large piece of land. It is the Other reason for this blog. I want those interested to read all of these posts so they fully know WHY we are doing this, and know who we are… so not to waste any more of our time.

For those interested in doing this model themselves, the classic book to read on this subject is Creating a Life Together.

Here is the free pdf. book link-   http://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Ecovillages_and_Low_Impact_Development/Creating_a_Life_Together-Practical_Tools_to_Grow_Ecovillages_and_Intentional_Communities.pdf

If anything this book should scare you off this idea by showing all the pitfalls. (Full disclosure. Our own MAG fell apart after much effort. Also, the one family that had moved onto our land moved out while we were away. All of this actually turned out to be a relief to us. Instead of a negative, we look at this as being part of the Learning Curve and we wanted to take the plan in a complete different direction anyhow. More on this at a later time.)


The 2nd path is the one most likely to succeed. This is the direction most Preppers, Survivalists, Permaculturalists and Adapters SHOULD have been pointed towards in the first place. Not remote bug out locations. Not homesteads. But joining an already functioning community. A TOWN. Not any town. Ideally a town of 2-3000 in farming country, a substantial distance away from any city. These are few and far between nowadays.

For the reasons, we will turn to one of the Douchiest of Douchy, Yuppy Scum, old school Survivalists. Mel Tappan himself. Just because he was a douche, didn’t mean he didn’t have a few good insights. This was one.

For this and his reasons, I present a free pdf. link. The classic book, Mel Tappan on Survival. –   http://www.giltweasel.com/stuff/Tappan%20on%20Survival.pdf

Most of the book is shit so skip and go directly to chapter 3 on Retreating. Even still, I face palmed a lot. He only writes a couple of eye rolling lines on farming or FOOD PRODUCTION which is the point of not becoming part of the “Survivalist Horde”. Food production is ALL our  A#1  concern. If that is not there, the rest is just playing with yourself, and becoming someone else’s problem. It’s good to remember that the only reason Tappan could do what he did was that he married an heiress to an evil corporation’s fortune. No shit. Mel was primarily a conservative gun guy and that was ALL he was. His only reasons for promoting abandoned farm land was that it attracts game for hunting.

My experience is something different. We know exactly how many animals are on our property or nearby and each hunting season we watch the population decimated or disappear deep into hiding. And that is only local hunting, where most of the “farmers” get most of their food from the supermarket. It seems, almost everybody’s “plan” or non-plan is “a’ huntin’ and a’ fishin’ like granpappy did”. Survival Acres startling relevation of the game only lasting a couple of weeks fits into my guestimate as well. Two or three weeks is my guess. This is exactly what happened during the great depression over a larger time frame but there were over 2/3 less people in North America back then. I have lived in areas where the wild turkey were only reintroduced recently or visited areas where the big horn sheep were being reintroduced after they were wiped out during the Great Depression. Our deer only came back from the edge because of stringent conservation measures and hunting laws. The game will already be long gone, simply from the locals, long before the “Survivalist Horde” even gets here. And the population continues to grow yearly. The only good news to this story is, if good news is the word, is as contraction bites and fuel becomes unaffordable at any price, I have an alternative theory that many rural folk will either lose or abandon their farms or properties and flee to the cities for any dollar a day job or government help, as also happened during the Great Depression. Or what happened more recently in Syria, because of a climate change related drought. Reverse refugees.


Option #3  is the Transition Town model with its pros and cons. As I keep mentioning, Transition Town, Transition initiatives or Resilience communities are “the other preppers”. This is where the lefty hippy types can shine and offer much to the prepper world. If you are not familiar with them, one of the best things they brought to the prepper world was Seedy Saturdays (or Sundays). These are public events where people share, trade or sell heirloom seeds while hosting workshops on all things food production.

Me and a friend of mine, Michael Jensen (from the Apocadocs blog) did a public talk together titled, “Bridging the Gap between Preppers, Permaculture and Transition Town”. It would have turned out to be a, let’s pick on C5 event if Michael hadn’t had my back. T-Townies have a bit of trouble accepting the “Lifeboat principle”. That is, as the titanic sinks, you use a lifeboat to “save as many as you can” but at some point, if you take on even one more person the boat sinks and everyone dies. So the “Ethical” thing to do is use your oars to whack anyone else trying to get on the boat and paddle away as quickly as possible leaving the others to drown. If you cannot accept this, not only will you die, but it is an act of murder of those on the boat. At the event, at least one T-Townie proponent was of the vocal mindset of, “if we can’t save everyone, then we shouldn’t save anyone”. Well, you can make that decision for yourself. You can voluntarily give up your seat on the boat but you cannot make that decision for me or those under my care and protection. Michael saw where this was going and chimed in, “We are here to ask the question of whether our survival advice can produce ACTUAL SURVIVAL. What exactly have we achieved here in the local Transition Town initiatives. We started the farmers market, (as ineffectual as it is at providing for local farmers). We started a barter currency (that is too cumbersome for much local use) and we have a Float in the local parade…” insert cricket sounds here in the uncomfortable silence that followed.

Still, Transition Town initiatives are better than no initiatives… and will be useful in Option #2. The small town. And Option #1 where extra produced food can be sold somewhere where Option #2 is taking place. With that said, this came out last week by a Transition Towny recounting the inspiration… and shortcomings of the transition town movement as the years past.


And my last free pdf book link to offer is The Transition Town Handbook.-  http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~sme/CSC2600/transition-handbook.pdf


And we will start to bring this to a close with more climate chaos, super storm, death and destruction.


The ironic deaths that apply to this post on bugging out is the 2 Girl Guides crushed under a tree.


A special shout out goes, once again, to Farmgal at https://livingmydreamlifeonthefarm.com/  ….whom while others were bailing in disgust at “BOB the reality” decided to “like” the page as she is a person that has met, worked with and moderated many a “prepper”, she knew exactly the hard truths I was exposing. As a prepper farmer, she knows exactly the danger to her farm from “the Survivalist Horde”.

And two last gloomy articles to help cement my point-  http://energyskeptic.com/2017/german-military-peak-oil-summary/    The first few paragraphs sum it up. People that have been following me since before I started this blog, or simply listened to my ramblings, will know I have predicted this for a few decades. When I predicted civil war in amerika, most rolled their eyes. Not so far fetched now, is it?

The Real Threat to America Comes From Americans

See the previous articles on this topic:
The Fallacy of Bugging Out – Part I https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2017/06/23/c5-presents-the-fallacy-of-bugging-out-part-i-by-survival-acres/
The Fallacy of Bugging Out – Part II https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2017/07/07/c5-presents-the-fallacy-of-bugging-out-part-ii-by-survival-acres/
Survivalist Challenge    https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2017/08/06/c5-presents-survivalist-challenge-putting-the-bullshit-to-the-test-by-survival-acres/
B.O.B. – The Reality   https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2017/08/18/c5-presents-b-o-b-the-reality-by-survival-acres/
Surviving the Horde



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