With your host, C5 and special guest writer, Survival Acres
(A special welcome to the folks from The Doomstead Diner that have been trickling in. This site is not usually this dark…but it had to be done. Someone had to do it. That task fell to me)
We are going to some pretty Dark Places in this article.
You might be thinking to yourself, “That C5 is already a pretty dark fellow…and the future is pretty dark… and that is just part of being a survivalist…so where is he going with this?”
This is Part 4 of The Fallacy Of Bugging Out series by the legendary Survival Acres.
Survival Acres writes, “The ‘thieves and murderers’ will be those who ran off into the woods and attempted to survive — the so-called ‘survivalist’”
and “We will hunt you down. Someone will come after you — this is only a matter of time. I do not mean “tracking you through the woods” or even landing a contingent of Special Forces soldiers to “route you out”. There will be no need for that, or at least unlikely. You will be coming to us, because you will have to. And that is when we will (eventually) have to deal with you.”
and “It’s unpopular because it flies in the face of common ‘wisdom’. I’m seeing plenty of suppression now of this article series”.
Lets make sure you heard that correct. One of the essential daily tasks is not to fight off the Golden Horde or Mutant Zombie Bikers or the New World Order, UN antichrist army in Blue Berets.
The chore list will eventually include, actively murdering “The Survivalist Horde”.
Honey Do List___________
Weed the garden, check.
Clean the stove pipe, check.
Put kale in the dehydrater. Yuck, check.
Patch the bicycle tire, check.
Go Kill the starving white supremacist survivalists creeping around in the bushes……Oh, Honey. Do I have to? They are all skinny and icky and gross. And they are armed to the fucking teeth. Cant we just start a forest fire or something…….
Soooooooo……If you are thinking of phasing out at this point…..Buck The Fuck Up, Biatches. You dont have to agree…until a few of your neibours get killed by them….but you do have to listen.
And make sure you read the first 3 parts before getting to this Dark Place.
But before we get there…
(Most times, when you hear those five little words, you know a kick in the nuts is coming. No need this time as Survival Acres has already got your scrotum set up for the field goal)
Since the theme for the day is “Dark Places”…lest go talk to Jesus. Oops. I got Chris Martenson and Jesus mixed up again. Peak Prosperity put this out and it deserves better viewing than it got.
It starts a bit dull. Doom is at hand, yada, yada. Oh look, a graph. I always tune out at the graph….
Then it got REAL interesting as it explored the minds response. By the way, I first read it with a WHOPPER of a hang over. An important point.
Now. Stop reading. Go read the article and get your ass back here. Shoooo!
Doesnt that make you feel all warm and fuzzy? Now lets get back to Survival Acres. As I mentioned in Part 1, when I first read this series it made me really angry. Two Reasons. One was “Previous Investment”. I had spent many years learning how to squat in the forest and from my earliest years studied the First Nations food systems, believing, “If they could live that way, sustainably, so could we”.
(When I hear other people saying that these days, I roll my eyes, think “dead man walking…and try to change the subject. I just wasnt ready to ditch that myth at the time, inspite of all my time out in the boonies. This deserves a whole other post at a future time. Hint- Eighty Million people added to the planet Yearly. There was only one place in Canada that living off the land was going to be possible…so I spent the majority of my life near it and felt panicked every time I had to leave. I am not going to tell you where that area is….because even that window pretty much closed by the 80s and is now unworkable)
The Second reason I was pissed, was because, in spite of Survival Acres just trying to make a point to save people’s lives, Now some Asshole with a hate on for bush ninjas, was going to make it even more dangerous, as if doing this isnt tough enough. Now we have to worry about being killed by land owners. (not really what he was saying, by the way)
Then a strange thing happened….
I had only recently come on grid and ON LINE. I was surprised as Christ on a pogo stick that there were so many Survivalists and this thing called “Preppers”. I started to study them…alot…and as I tried to reach out to start my own group…I started to meet them…. and…
Holy Batshit, Backwoods Batman…..He was completely right.
I’ll stop that thought there and go to directly to part 4 of the Fallacy of Bugging Out. I’ll add more content on this at the end.
B.O.B. – The Reality By Survival Acres
See the previous articles on this topic:
The Fallacy of Bugging Out – Part I https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2017/06/23/c5-presents-the-fallacy-of-bugging-out-part-i-by-survival-acres/
The Fallacy of Bugging Out – Part II https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2017/07/07/c5-presents-the-fallacy-of-bugging-out-part-ii-by-survival-acres/
Survivalist Challenge https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2017/08/06/c5-presents-survivalist-challenge-putting-the-bullshit-to-the-test-by-survival-acres/
B.O.B. – The Reality
Surviving the Horde
Here are some rather important ‘revelations’ that the survivalist community should at least read:
When I run our SERE based classes (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape), I get people who last maybe two weeks, normally one.. I would put money on the fact that anyone who does the BOB challenge, would last only a few cold damp wet nights before they give up.
I don’t agree with most of the BS that is out there on the net or printed material. Having first hand experience of peoples expectations versus reality, 95% of attendees have a massive shock.
Most have watched the scripted survival TV series or other TV based survival instruction programs, but when reality hits, you cans see it on their faces….
I train a lot of very fit regular and ex forces members and even some of these guys/gals have a tough time lasting a week, foraging of the land, so long term BOB style living is a sure way to help reduce the surplus population.
Keep well and keep blogging, best regards
And another email received:
If you get a chance, I would like you to read this topic I started and consider my suggestion that preppers take on the role of “pest control”. IMO, if the people who are prepared to survive, are not also prepared to eliminate the thieves and murderers who are going to perceive us as prey…. then we are pissing in the wind. No matter how well stocked your are or how long you are prepared to survive on your own, everybody will have to come out of their hiding spots eventually. And if no one has taken it upon themselves to literally exterminate the vermin who are surviving a true doomsday scenario by cannibalism, then we are all pretty much fucking doomed.
Please note what this actually means. The ‘thieves and murderers’ will be those who ran off into the woods and attempted to survive — the so-called ‘survivalist’, urban house mom, couch ‘patriot’ and would-be doomsday wilderness ‘prepper’. I am not overlooking the displaced hordes from the city of course. This horde is an entirely different topic which can be addressed later.
Even the professional survival instructors do not agree that bugging out and living off the land is going to work.
The reason is easy to understand. Your first problem is going to be hypothermia, mentioned in Part I. The second is going to be water. The third is going to be food (malnutrition). The fourth will be shelter. Fifth will be physical condition (fatigue, injury, sickness). Not necessarily in that order either.
Many people simply utterly fail to connect how easy it is to die when you are no longer properly protected with the essentials needed to stay alive. Civilization meets this needs for most of us, but we do indeed take this for granted.
Now – here is why I have been harping on this topic of late — please read, because it is important to everyone.
First — I’m saving your life. I don’t know you, but I do know what many of you intend to do. Internet ‘wisdom’ is dangerously absent on facts and common sense. You are going to be risking your life and that of your family if you really do try to disappear off into the wilderness as oft depicted online.
Secondly — Some of you are getting closer and closer to your ‘trigger point’. This is the jumping off point where you decide it’s time to depart. That decision is entirely up to you, but before you go consider the rest of the points I’m going to present here. I’ve known people that ‘left’ in 1999, convinced that it was ‘time’. Well, I think we all know what probably happened.
Thirdly — Some of the best individuals intend to disappear. You are among some of the better informed, better trained, better prepared. But you’re not going to be very effective while living like a refugee. I’m talking about the possibility of resistance. If your plans have not included constant and essential resupply, covered in Part II, then it is only a matter of time before you become ineffective and incapacitated, among the ‘survivalist horde’ that begins to rob, kill and steal to stay alive.
If you do not think that could happen to you — think again. It has happened to thousands upon thousands of people before, who formerly led exemplary lives. Desperation and hunger, and critical needs such a medical care, will drive you to abandon your morality and integrity virtually instantly in some cases. For others, it may take a few days or few weeks, but quite frankly, it will happen. If you are still able to meet your needs and that of your group or family with you — then no, but it’s pretty clear that nobody is going to last indefinitely ‘out there’, which means you’re coming back and you’re going to be in extreme need when that happens (if you’ve delayed). You will not only be a refugee, but a dangerous one. No doubt able to inflict some serious harm on those around you.
Your first ‘prey’ is probably going to the other ‘survivalists’ hiding in the woods with you. Their supplies, if they have any left, may become your supplies, extending your ‘stay’. But the ensuing bloodbath won’t be pretty.
The other side of this coin is you won’t be working together. Or perhaps you will, forming gangs of desperadoes, preying upon everyone else.
Eventually, you’ll all come back to civilization. Those of you that have survived this time period, will be forever changed — and highly dangerous to the rest of us.
Fourth — We will hunt you down. Someone will come after you — this is only a matter of time. I do not mean “tracking you through the woods” or even landing a contingent of Special Forces soldiers to “route you out”. There will be no need for that, or at least unlikely. You will be coming to us, because you will have to. And that is when we will (eventually) have to deal with you.
It ALL eventually leads to the same place. Wilderness bugout will create refugees, criminals and desperate people, all of who will either come back, prey upon one another or die. A tiny few will “make it” for a time (survive), but even they will come back. Begging or stealing, or perhaps offering their newly finely honed “skills” to us, but they will come back.
Maybe some will actually stay, surviving all the shootouts, thefts, rapes, murder and assassinations, hiding, running, defending, surviving. But this too is highly unlikely because of the 5 points to survival I mentioned above. Injury and sickness will eventually get the very best of us — and you will come back, if you can.
Fifth — Many think that hiding in the wilderness will buy them the essential and critical ‘time’ that they need to endure whatever it was they ran from. Maybe it will — but it probably won’t. Absentee owners (of freedom, or of anything) are subject to more abuse, not less. If you ran from the NWO, martial law, economic collapse, asteroid strike or whatever it was, your absence ensures that things for you will not get better. The only way that they can get better is to deal with it. That isn’t going to easy either — but it is the ONLY path ahead that offers any real hope or promise. The other path can only result in extreme suffering and death.
Six — If you’re going to be a refugee, or a ‘survivalist’ — think it through VERY, VERY carefully. Many paths lead to despair, impoverishment, conflict and death. In fact, most of them do. There IS a better way if you absolutely MUST leave.
Nothing offers any of us any guarantees — but some paths / decisions will remove all hope, all future, all possibilities rather quickly. The self-made wilderness refugee is one of them. If you must go — then be sure you return quickly, and have some place to return to.
Seven — Prepare your ground. If you cannot, will not or are prevented from staying put where you are now (applicable to many people, and many possible scenarios) then prepare your ground where you think you can. You need to do this now.
Most of us are going to choose to stay put, right where we are. Preparing here will actually work for a lot of people and a lot of situations. It also happens to be where you will be able to get the most help of course. And if you are going to try to fix anything, you will need some safe place, meeting all of your essential needs, to do it from.
The ground you prepare can be your home or a new home location. There are many, many opinions and insights on this important topic, covering everything from so-called ‘urban survival’ to ‘cabin in the wood’. I cannot do justice to the topic here, many people won’t even have read down this far, having made up their minds already. So I’m only going to make the point here that you must prepare a place where you intend to stay. Wandering around in the woods is not it, since you are coming back anyway (maybe). Save yourselves (and us) a lot of needless suffering and death and prepare something else.
If you do go to the woods, be absolutely certain that you have some place else to return to. I’ve demonstrated the need to resupply as critical and essential, and that “returning” is in all cases, a 100% likelihood. Therefore, this means you must have someplace else in mind. Someplace where you will be welcomed and not simply shot on sight. Someplace where you can meet or obtain the essentials to keep you and yours alive.
It is my opinion, that it makes far more sense to live there now if you can. Or at the very least, sidestep all this ‘wilderness’ bullshit and prepare instead your new home. Do not misunderstand — I am not advocating “buy a second home” or anything like that. Your new home, if you must leave, must be a place where you can live, in safety, with the ability to resupply. I’m not going to try and list all the “how’s” here that you might do that, another series of articles no doubt. Nor am I suggesting that a B.O.B wouldn’t be useful to get you somewhere where you can actually live and survive.
George Orwell said that “speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act”. It’s unpopular because it flies in the face of common ‘wisdom’. I’m seeing plenty of suppression now of this article series, but I’ve also seen just the opposite too, it’s proven to be the most popular thing I’ve ever written.
I’ve long chosen to ignore the entire ‘survivalist’ side of things on this blog on purpose. This field is absolutely saturated with ‘wisdom’, some good, some bad. I didn’t see any need to try and correct the faults. Let ’em figure it out themselves, or at least, clean out the gene pool, I thought. Well, that is going to happen anyway. Plenty of people will have their minds made up, I see this nearly daily in private emails received. You can speak the truth, share the facts and they will still throw it back in your face. That’s fine, it’s your life, your responsibility. The only reason why I’m engaging in this topic now is because there is a huge, pressing need to dispel the modern-day myths that permeate ‘survivalism’. And I really cannot stand the profiteers that have come and gone, preying upon your fear.
I don’t think it really takes all that much to realize that our individual survival, the means by which we all live now, has common, identifiable elements that will not go away in any future scenario. Humanity is not going to simply “stop” or shut down, I don’t care what the catastrophe is, we are still going to have to meet our essential needs. Many catastrophes have come before — and we’re still here. Overlooked (somehow) is how absolutely critical it is today that we try to meet those needs together. We are ALL alive because other people are actually keeping us alive. That is not going to change.
Therefore, plan ahead, knowing that simple fact. Plan for where you CAN survive, not where you won’t. Whatever the future holds, we’re all in this together, and we are going to need each other, even if we don’t like it. Your critical and essential resupply comes from other people, who are performing the many various and essential task that you can’t. You really cannot do this all by yourself, or even in a small group. EVERYONE will need to resupply for all those things you can’t do for yourselves (food being the most important, medical attention probably next). After that, comes many other essentials, shoes, clothing, critical parts and equipment, fuel, etc.
Our response and preparation for any contingencies we may encounter in the days ahead is critical and essential. Those that have well-prepared locations will be best prepared. Those that don’t, well — we know what that means. You might get lucky, or you might just find yourselves part of the coming horde (extremely likely), caught up in events totally outside of your control, unable to do anything, even meet your own daily needs.
Fire Earth has been sharing some applicable news — 2.2 million refugees in Sudan. Hunger, malnutrition, war, conscription, warlords, the “horde” actually does exists already, in many parts of the world, and always shows up whenever there is war, strife, collapse, even just riots. Our civilization is teetering, its amplitude and period increasing.
Americans are not immune to any of this. There are common elements in every collapse situation. Identifying the common needs is easy, and so is our response. But you must wade through the Internet bullshit first.
Thank You Survival Acres.
So, What did I learn by studying and meeting other Survivalists and Preppers (and to a much lesser extent, many Permaculture and Transition Town folks. The OTHER preppers). Well, lets start with something I wrote recently on another board.
“Now, I am pretty used to Swimming with Sharks. I have been around the survivalist, and later, the prepper world. What I was surprised about is….Just how badly unprepared these folks are. Very few…if any, serious food production skills. Food stores are usually lacking, some as bad as a few cases of MREs…but a shit load of guns and military equipment (don’t get me wrong. I’ve met a few good preppers…but very few) Most of them are just a danger to other people.”
“Sooooo,,,,,How exactly did this happen. We have to go back to the bad old days of Survivalism.
The three main groups that influenced HOW we prep (badly) were…drum roll please….
White Supremacists groups (like the Christian Patriots Defence League, a militant arm of the Klan)
Christian Reconstructionists (who gave us the term, If not by the ballot box, then by the cartridge box)
and Broken ex Military Men seeking to be valued.
We will just forget all about the Rhodesians and Aparthied South Africans, survivalist influence.”
“Survivalism wasnt about actual survival. It was about WAR. Beans, Bullets and Bandaids.
Any actual sustainability was an afterthought.”
“The Preppers pretty much rejected the extremes of the Survivalists…at least at first…but then got co opted and just started repeating all the same old bad survival advice. The newbies just repeat the old shit without thinking “Why?”. Survivalism then becomes just a recruiting tool for, guess who? White supremacists, christian reconstructionsts and the military flag wavers.”
Well, besides the rampant douche bags, political ideologues, Racism Lite and mental health cases, and even amongst the more reasonable preppers, there was an underlying, usually un articulated or even unrecognised position…that future survival would involve THEFT. This is not even acknowledge by most. But even amongst the morally minded, this is somehow being missed. It usually goes something like this….
“How are you going to deal with looters?” “ I’m going to shoot them” “ How are you going to survive?” “I’m going to loot”. (I’ll just call it something else like resource allocation or salvage)
People were making up for Piss Poor Prepping by theft whether they were acknowledging it or not. I started hearing common themes and saw it repeated in books and fiction. “First stop. I am going to break into Wallmart “ or “ Im going to steal a sail boat” or “I am going to break into cabins” or ” I amg oing to hot wire a truck” or “Im going to break into a gun shop”. Seriously! I was trying to figure out why one person I was communicating with refused to store food while he was spending money on an expensive Sub gun. Then it came out what his plans were…and I immediately cut contact. I couldn’t even bother pointing out that these were all really good ways to die or be ass raped in prison. It turns out, this wasn’t an anomaly. I kept hearing similar things. In one case, a person that had contacted me with extensive military training, we discovered through investigation as part of our vetting process, he had organised with others a complex plan of stealing heavy trucks, breaking into a food distribution warehouse, and hauling off all the food, while his team would shoot anyone, police or civilians, that tried to stop them. He was only contacting me for a place to go. Good thing I dodged that bullet. And now we are getting people openly saying, there “PLAN” is to kill farmers and take their food (alot more than you think. Not an anomoly)….sooo…No real plan for sustainability whatsoever. No skills in that whatsoever And usually not much in the way of food stores.
And now Survival Acres warning to others at the top of my post makes sense.
“We will hunt you down. Someone will come after you — this is only a matter of time. You will be coming to us, BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE TO. And that is when we will (eventually) have to deal with you”
So, do I have your full attention now. Wait! It gets even better. Now lets throw in the Racists and Christian Reconstructionsist and 3 percenter types, prepping for WAR who feel justified in taking your food to further there struggle.
And if that is not enough…I also learned along the way, talking to hundreds of people, that a very large percentage of the non prepping people I talk with on the subject…All have SHTF plans…in a “If the shit does hit the fan, I will (insert lame un experienced plan here)”
So, where to go from here? There will be 80 million more people on the planet next year. There will be no food waiting for you in the bush.
C5s F5s- Food Storage. Food Production, Firewood, Fuel Storage (short term) and Friends (long term)
That is where to START….so YOU don’t become MY Problem…to have to “DEAL WITH”.